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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2007, 06:45:16 PM »

This just popped into my mind:

Pauls gospel is the ONLY gospel that is said to ESTABLISH believers today. Peter cannot make that claim. If the gospel was the same, then why Paul?
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2007, 06:49:00 PM »

MacTastic, you asked which Greek texts.  I have the critical text, the received text and the majority text.  Although I am not an expert at Greek I can read Greek and I know how to effectively use the Grammar and Lexicons I have. I have most of the major works that deal with Greek, some of them have 10 volumes to a single resource.

Do you study from the Greek?

If so what text do you use?  I personally use the Majority text in my studies and believe it is the preserved word of God handed down through the generations.

I have a ministry to Pastors, where I help them to find resources to better study the scriptures, and I do research for pastors on different subjects.

You asked what gospel do I preach or teach to others, I can hardly believe you asked that, I have mentioned it repeatedly, but I will say it again, I teach the gospel that saves according to the mystery!

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2007, 07:16:59 PM »

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...This is not a biblical answer to these verses, it is an opinion, and is not taking into account what these scriptures and other scriptures say about what Peter did preach.

Jim, here's something Pete preached, verbatim. But the Reader's Digest condensed version says it's "repent and get wet to have your sins remitted."

Acts 2:14-40
  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, "Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
  "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, 'I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.'
  "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
  "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, 'The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.'
  "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
  Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
  Then Peter said unto them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, "Save yourselves from this untoward generation."


Since this is what Peter preached, and not a generalized reference to what he preached, we are free to draw some solid conclusions from it. I submit to you for your consideration this is the very essence of Peter's gospel. Does it sound similar to Paul's utterances?

Yes, it's purpose was to save those Jews which heard it. And they had to do some things to receive this remission of sin.

They had to repent. Of what? They had to repent of their attitude toward and their unacceptance of, their Messiah, Jesus. They also had to be baptized as a sign to show thier repentance. John (the baptist) baptized to show forth the Messiah. Those believing Jews were baptized by him as an identification of their recognition of their Messiah. Then, their sins would be remitted. Remission is not forgiveness. We speak of things like cancer going into remission. Regardless of your view of allopathic medicine, the doctor means it's not healed, destroyed or totally taken care of. The doctor does not use the word "cure." It's in remission. It could come back. When we speak of the Jew and the Kingdom gospel sin is very much like this. It's in remission. That's why the Jew has to hold out to the very end. That's why he MUST confess his sin (and why Jesus will forgive it subsequent to the confession [I Jn 1:9]) each and every time he blows it.

This is not the gospel according to Paul. It has neither its content nor its application.

The truth of Paul's gospel was witheld until Paul spoke it. How do we know this? Scripture tells us so:

Titus 1:2-3
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

It was a due-time manifestation. Paul had a gospel committed unto him. It was kept secret till he spoke it.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul's gospel was distinct from the Jewish gospel. It is the canon whereby judgement would be settled (i.e. who is righteous and who is not).

Romans 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Who calls people into the grace of Christ? Paul does.

Galatians 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

The "him" is Paul. Paul's gospel was not found in the scripture. Paul was not taught it by men. It simply was not known until Paul spoke it.

Galatians 1:11-12
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Look again at Peter's gospel in Acts 2:23. There's no cross here. It's a murder indictment against the nation. Now recall the foolish preaching of the cross, please... a foolishness that originates with Paul. Christ crucified--a stumblingblock to the Jews, utter foolishness to the Greeks.

Further in Acts 3:14-16 we see Peter healing the beggar. But it's "...faith in His name" not the blood of Christ. Peter never said Christ died for their sins. And does verse 19 sound familiar?

In Acts 4, there's no mention of Christ's death for sin.

Acts 5:27-30 shows Peter's handling of the death of Christ. It was not good news to the Jews. "...bring this Man's blood upon us."

In Gal. 6:14 the cross is a good thing. (According to Paul.)
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

I Cor 1:30 Redemption is had via the cross.

Eph. 2:16 It's the cross.

Phillip. 2:8 The cross. For Paul, it's a good thing. To Peter, it's a bad thing. In 3:18, the enemy of the cross is one teaching that salvation comes from any other way other than the cross.

Col 1:20 It's the cross.

Peter did not know about the cross (the way in which Paul taught on it).

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The law and ordinances were removed from our path, by the cross. I say again, Peter did not know about the cross. He had to learn about it from Paul, the same Paul who wrote the scriptures that Peter acknowledged as such (II Pet. 3:15, 16).

I urge you to let scripture interpret scripture. Until you do, your conclusions may well be as suspect as those of Mary Baker Eddy. Whatever meaning you derive from chapters 1 of Romans and I Peter, the gospels are not the same.
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2007, 07:42:53 PM »

Do you study from the Greek?
No, I don't. I have a few lexicons and an interlinear, but for myself, I don't call that studying as such. I asked because I am well familiar with the "science" so-called of textal criticism and of the "work" of men like Westcott and Hort (charlatans, to put it politely) who diligently attempted to assassinate the Textus Receptus.

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I personally use the Majority text in my studies and believe it is the preserved word of God handed down through the generations.
I cannot concur, but it is not important. I study from the KJV and so agree the Received text (Textus Receptus) upon which it is based is preferred. Of course, there are deviants, Peter Ruckman is a good example, who claim the KJV itself is inspired, and who use it to correct its underlying Greek text! Clearly, no thinking man ought to waste time with that.

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I have a ministry to Pastors, where I help them to find resources to better study the scriptures, and I do research for pastors on different subjects.
I see. That explains your zeal.

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You asked what gospel do I preach or teach to others, I can hardly believe you asked that, I have mentioned it repeatedly, but I will say it again, I teach the gospel that saves according to the mystery!
Take no offense. You misunderstood my question. It was an invitation to share in your owns words the crux of your gospel message. I didn't ask you to give me the stock phrase gospel-that-saves-according-to-the-mystery. I asked you to share the gist of your gospel. Go ahead. Take two or three paragraphs even.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2007, 06:37:01 AM »

ok ... Here is my Two Cents worth put as simple as I know how ... 1 Cor 15 (3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for OUR sins according to the scriptures [Romans--Philemon]; (4) And that HE was buried, and that HE rose again the third day according to the scriptures [Matthew-Mark-Luke].

Concering verse 3, ONLY within Paul's 13 Letters are WE told that He died for US. See e.g. 1 Thess.5:9, 10; Rom.5:6, 8, 10.

Now, concerning verse 4, the 4 Gospel Records state Jesus was buried & rose again. See: MATT.16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 27:64; MARK 9:31; 10:34; LUKE 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7, 21,46.
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2007, 08:51:50 AM »

Thanks Gary and all,

In order to be truthful and honest, I asked vanschoonoven to no longer continue in this discussion, because I  felt it was not going to be helpful to the greater body of Christ.

He  agreed to not post any more in this thread, for the sake of the over all body of Christ. He asked that I make this disclosure so that it doesn't look like he didn't answer. I removed one of his posts as well. He was advised to direct his questions to Pastor Trent Cole on Paltalk in the Question and Answer sessions after lessons on TUES/THURS evenings.

So, there ya have it. He has been made aware of my reasons for doing so, and that I do consider him to be a brother in Christ.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2007, 10:02:39 AM »

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...This is not a biblical answer to these verses, it is an opinion, and is not taking into account what these scriptures and other scriptures say about what Peter did preach.

Jim, here's something Pete preached, verbatim. But the Reader's Digest condensed version says it's "repent and get wet to have your sins remitted."

Acts 2:14-40
  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, "Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
  "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, 'I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.'
  "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
  "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, 'The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.'
  "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
  Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
  Then Peter said unto them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, "Save yourselves from this untoward generation."


Since this is what Peter preached, and not a generalized reference to what he preached, we are free to draw some solid conclusions from it. I submit to you for your consideration this is the very essence of Peter's gospel. Does it sound similar to Paul's utterances?

Yes, it's purpose was to save those Jews which heard it. And they had to do some things to receive this remission of sin.

They had to repent. Of what? They had to repent of their attitude toward and their unacceptance of, their Messiah, Jesus. They also had to be baptized as a sign to show thier repentance. John (the baptist) baptized to show forth the Messiah. Those believing Jews were baptized by him as an identification of their recognition of their Messiah. Then, their sins would be remitted. Remission is not forgiveness. We speak of things like cancer going into remission. Regardless of your view of allopathic medicine, the doctor means it's not healed, destroyed or totally taken care of. The doctor does not use the word "cure." It's in remission. It could come back. When we speak of the Jew and the Kingdom gospel sin is very much like this. It's in remission. That's why the Jew has to hold out to the very end. That's why he MUST confess his sin (and why Jesus will forgive it subsequent to the confession [I Jn 1:9]) each and every time he blows it.

This is not the gospel according to Paul. It has neither its content nor its application.

The truth of Paul's gospel was witheld until Paul spoke it. How do we know this? Scripture tells us so:

Titus 1:2-3
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

It was a due-time manifestation. Paul had a gospel committed unto him. It was kept secret till he spoke it.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul's gospel was distinct from the Jewish gospel. It is the canon whereby judgement would be settled (i.e. who is righteous and who is not).

Romans 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Who calls people into the grace of Christ? Paul does.

Galatians 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

The "him" is Paul. Paul's gospel was not found in the scripture. Paul was not taught it by men. It simply was not known until Paul spoke it.

Galatians 1:11-12
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Look again at Peter's gospel in Acts 2:23. There's no cross here. It's a murder indictment against the nation. Now recall the foolish preaching of the cross, please... a foolishness that originates with Paul. Christ crucified--a stumblingblock to the Jews, utter foolishness to the Greeks.

Further in Acts 3:14-16 we see Peter healing the beggar. But it's "...faith in His name" not the blood of Christ. Peter never said Christ died for their sins. And does verse 19 sound familiar?

In Acts 4, there's no mention of Christ's death for sin.

Acts 5:27-30 shows Peter's handling of the death of Christ. It was not good news to the Jews. "...bring this Man's blood upon us."

In Gal. 6:14 the cross is a good thing. (According to Paul.)
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

I Cor 1:30 Redemption is had via the cross.

Eph. 2:16 It's the cross.

Phillip. 2:8 The cross. For Paul, it's a good thing. To Peter, it's a bad thing. In 3:18, the enemy of the cross is one teaching that salvation comes from any other way other than the cross.

Col 1:20 It's the cross.

Peter did not know about the cross (the way in which Paul taught on it).

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The law and ordinances were removed from our path, by the cross. I say again, Peter did not know about the cross. He had to learn about it from Paul, the same Paul who wrote the scriptures that Peter acknowledged as such (II Pet. 3:15, 16).

I urge you to let scripture interpret scripture. Until you do, your conclusions may well be as suspect as those of Mary Baker Eddy. Whatever meaning you derive from chapters 1 of Romans and I Peter, the gospels are not the same.


This was an EXCELLENT POST, Mac, and worthy of several RE-Reads!
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2007, 08:48:49 AM »

Did Jesus preach the cross for salvation?

by Justin Johnson
Posted May 19, 2006

Paul explains the preaching of the cross as it was given to him by Christ:

      “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” – 1 Cor 1:17-18

Although we now know that the redemptive work of Christ’s death and resurrection is the crux of our message of salvation for today, we must be careful not to read into Jesus’ ministry what is not there.


We would search in vain for a clear presentation of the preaching of the cross in the ministry of Jesus and the disciples in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John.

Gospel of the kingdom

Jesus did not preach his redemptive work on the cross for salvation during his ministry on earth. Instead, Jesus taught the gospel of the coming kingdom (Mark 1:14-15).

This gospel consisted of repentance from sin, doing the commandments, and seeking first the kingdom (Matt 5:19, 6:33). Although these ideas are commonly recognized as good and Biblical ideas, but none of them include faith in the redemptive work of Christ on the cross.

It was the specific message of the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus limited his ministry:

      “And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. “ – Matthew 4:23

Jesus even taught the disciples the same gospel of the kingdom and told them to tell others prepare for its coming. As a sign of its imminence, he gave them power to heal the sick:

      “Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. “ – Luke 9:1-2

The first mention of the cross


When Peter revealed Jesus as the Christ, Jesus told how he would give him the keys of the kingdom. Having spent months teaching and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, Peter would be one of the most qualified for this leadership position.

However, it was not until that day that Jesus first spoke about his death, and it was a private teaching.

      “From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. “ – Matthew 16:21

Even more interesting, the same Peter to whom God revealed that Jesus was the Christ was kept excluded from the meaning of the cross. Jesus reprimanded Peter for his rebuke with the famous exclamation, ‘Get thee behind me Satan’ (Matthew 16:23).

It is evident that if Christ did not first mention his death and resurrection until more than half-way through his ministry, and even then his chief disciples were ignorant about it, that Jesus was not preaching the redemptive work of the cross for salvation.

Eternal life according to Jesus

It may be supposed that although Jesus talked a lot about the kingdom, that he still taught faith in his death on the cross for justification unto life. However, again, the Scriptures show us otherwise.

When asked how to get eternal life, Jesus responded to that commandment keeping would gain righteousness worthy of life eternal in the kingdom.

      “Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. “ – Matthew 9:17

In another instance John records Jesus’ words about attaining favor with God:

      “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” – John 14:21

During his popularly quoted Sermon on the Mount Jesus taught a conditional forgiveness whereby men could receive God’s forgiveness.

      “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” – Matthew 6:14-15

Instead of free justification based upon the redemptive shed blood of Christ at the cross, Jesus seems to be preaching a different message than what was revealed to Paul.

Jesus' exclusive ministry

Instead of coming to preach the cross of Christ as Paul was sent to do (1 Cor 1:17), Paul said that Jesus came for a specific purpose – to confirm the OT promises.

      “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers” – Romans 15:8

Jesus came to a specific people, to preach a specific message, and to die a specific death. What can not be found in his exclusive ministry is salvation from the preaching of the cross.

Where Jesus sent his disciples preaching the kingdom and baptizing for admittance, Paul was sent not to baptize but to preach the cross (John 4:1, Matt 28:19, 1 Cor 1:17). Where Jesus went to a specific people, the circumcision, Paul's ministry included every man despite their nationality or status with God.

Although we have further information about the cross of Christ, and free justification through the blood of Jesus, we must be careful not to read doctrine into Jesus earthly ministry that was not clearly revealed until later.


Even though Paul presents the gospel of Christ as the ‘power of God unto salvation’, we must remember that the gospel that Paul preached was given by revelation of Jesus after Christ’s death and resurrection (Rom 1:16, Gal 1:11-12).
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2007, 04:49:27 AM »



Why Paul? (Romans 1:5, 11-12)


When we come to Romans 1, we need to know and retain some information that was presented to us in the book of Acts because Romans picks up where Acts ends: with salvation going to the Gentiles without Israel.

What was going on in the book of Acts?

Acts begins with Peter and ends with Paul.


Acts begins with the nation of Israel, the people of the covenant and children of promise and ends with the Gentiles, strangers from the covenants of promise.


Acts begins with a ministry that confirms the promises made to the fathers to fulfill the law and prophets and ends with Paul preaching the gospel of the grace of God to the Gentiles.

What we see happening in the book of Acts is Paul, a different apostle than the twelve with a different message.


Paul begins preaching to the Gentiles without Israel risen up in faith and obedience. What we see happening in Acts is what Paul described in Romans 11:30 where he says Israel is in unbelief and they stumbled, fell, are diminishing, cast aside and blinded.


The book of Acts ends with Paul delivering God’s salvation to the Gentiles. We need to understand how different that is. This also clearly shows that there are 2 gospels being preached in Acts.


The testimony of the Old Testament and the four Gospel accounts is the Gentiles are saved through Israel only. In Romans, Paul goes to the nations while Israel is in a state of unbelief.If you can see this then you have to believe there is another gospel being preached. If you do not believe that, then you are in unbelief concerning Paul’s apostleship; you are not familiar with who Paul is and what he taught.


So, as Gentiles, we need to hear from this guy Paul, the apostle to and of the Gentiles.

What IS obedience to the faith among all nations in scripture? Who said it?


Since the world began, God moved to restore His kingdom on the earth. God vested His kingdom (rule) in a nation called Israel and Israel at the end of Acts was in unbelief.


So, when you get to Romans 1:5 and you see the phrase "obedience to the faith" it is not something you read in the books of Acts. We ought to really appreciate that phrase "obedience to the faith among all nations".


We know that "obedience to the faith" is not in Genesis - Acts because a Gentile concerning the faith in Genesis - Acts has to get their salvation through Israel and her meat on the table (the Law and prophets). So that phrase has great importance at this point in Romans - it shows a different gospel. This obedience to the faith among all nations as Paul reveals it is without Israel - so it is a different gospel.

Why Paul?

For obedience to the faith among all nations.

This obedience to the faith among all nations is only found and attainable by listening to Paul as this apostle to and of the nations. 
 
 
 


 
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