Peter taught WATER baptism...Paul didn't... Did you ever wonder WHY?

[Christine]

The ONE baptism of Eph 4:5 "One Lord, One Faith, ONE BAPTISM" is what Paul taught. And the ONE baptism was clearly NOT water, but by the SPIRIT.

Peter only taught water baptism.

How is this the same?  It simply ISN'T...something CHANGED! Do you know what that something WAS?


Paul alone teaches the ONE Lord, ONE faith, and ONE baptism having to do with the SPIRIT , and NOT with water. Paul also tells us that Christ sent him NOT to water baptize, but to preach THE gospel....hmmmmmmm. What changed?

[Christine]

Important distinctions to be made with regard to the DIFFERENT gospels presented in the scriptures.

Water has NOTHING to do with our gospel! Discussion?

[NewDawn]

I'm getting that everything that had to do with Israel was always a phyiscal thing.  Such as healings, miracles, etc, and with the Believers it's a spiritual thing and all about having faith.


Two different gospels for sure.

Diana

[Christine]

I'm getting that everything that had to do with Israel was always a phyiscal thing.  Such as healings, miracles, etc, and with the Believers it's a spiritual thing and all about having faith.


Two different gospels for sure.

Diana

Thats right, Diana! There were things God instructed them to DO that gave THEM a distinction amongst all other Nations. When He set them aside temporarily to usher in the age of GRACE, those distinctions were set aside as well. Its a whole new ball game with faith in a RISEN Christ and His finished work on the Cross. Yeee haw

[Roofdad]

I wonder why I never caught this? It is almost funny. I have been baptized at least four times in my life!

[Christine]

I wonder why I never caught this? It is almost funny. I have been baptized at least four times in my life!

LOL...Well, Now Darryl, you can finally STOP!  All water baptism did was to get you WET! Wink.

Aint it great to  know the TRUTH? Yeee haw

[notreligus]

Please look at what Peter said in Acts 15, while at the meeting of the Jerusalem Council:

Act 15:7  And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8  And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
Act 15:9  and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10  Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
Act 15:11  But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."

Peter did not preach another Gospel.  There is only one Gospel and Peter knew it well.  But Peter did what many of us still do today when we let others tell us what to believe.  Peter was pressured by the Jewish leaders of the Jerusalem Church to not "buck the system."  So, Peter chose to keep peace with these men over doing what God had called him to do.  God will always call somebody to get His will done.  Paul was obedient.  He was knocked off his high religious horse and met the Savior in a personal way.  I believe that the Bible lets us know that Christ Himself taught Paul, as Paul said that he was not less when compared to any other Apostle.  Paul was obedient to his call to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  Peter was not. 

[Christine]

Both were faithful to the gospel having been committed to each of them, and those gospels were clearly NOT the same.  Peter preached the gospel of the circumcision and Paul preached the gospel of the UNcircumcision. One was Judaism and one was Christianity, plain and simple. We don't make another doctrine from ONE verse, but we study to see what Peter was referring to. There is an entire study having to do with this...and Peter did preach another gospel for another audience...it was JUDAISM plain and simple.

Please come armed with more than one verse. Thank you

We will be doing an entire study dealing with the context of this verse in Paltalk in the coming weeks. If you want to see how to study your Bible the correct way, the way God exhorts us to, this would be a good study for you to plan on attending.

[Roofdad]

Peter did not preach another Gospel.  There is only one Gospel and Peter knew it well.  But Peter did what many of us still do today when we let others tell us what to believe.  Peter was pressured by the Jewish leaders of the Jerusalem Church to not "buck the system."  So, Peter chose to keep peace with these men over doing what God had called him to do.  God will always call somebody to get His will done.  Paul was obedient.  He was knocked off his high religious horse and met the Savior in a personal way.  I believe that the Bible lets us know that Christ Himself taught Paul, as Paul said that he was not less when compared to any other Apostle.  Paul was obedient to his call to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  Peter was not.

Peter never agreed with the preaching of the gospel to the Gentiles, until AFTER he had a vision from God that is outlined in the 10th chapter of Acts.
Peace
Darryl

[Christine]

Peter never agreed with the preaching of the gospel to the Gentiles, until AFTER he had a vision from God that is outlined in the 10th chapter of Acts.
Peace
Darryl

Thats correct, Darryl. And Peter had to be dragged kicking and screaming TO the one Gentile he went to! He KNEW he wasn't commissioned to go the the gentiles and argued with God when God told him to go to Cornelius. This action was to show that God was INDEED doing something DIFFERENT, as Cornelius received the Holy Spirit BEFORE being baptized. This signified a significant "CHANGE."

Peter was not commissioned to go to any gentiles EXCEPT for ONE, and Cornelius was "IT."  He never again did so. None of the other of the 12 went to a gentile either. They were told by Jesus to go to none but the Jew ONLY. That was their commission and they KNEW IT.

Paul is the one apostle God raised up with a NEW message to the Gentiles (which by that time included the Jews) .

"God concluded them ALL, *jew AND gentile,  in UNBELIEF so that He could have mercy upon all"

Just a little tidbit for you to chew on...yummmmmmmy, ehhh?

[notreligus]

Both were faithful to the gospel having been committed to each of them, and those gospels were clearly NOT the same.  Peter preached the gospel of the circumcision and Paul preached the gospel of the UNcircumcision. One was Judaism and one was Christianity, plain and simple. We don't make another doctrine from ONE verse, but we study to see what Peter was referring to. There is an entire study having to do with this...and Peter did preach another gospel for another audience...it was JUDAISM plain and simple.

Please come armed with more than one verse. Thank you

We will be doing an entire study dealing with the context of this verse in Paltalk in the coming weeks. If you want to see how to study your Bible the correct way, the way God exhorts us to, this would be a good study for you to plan on attending.

Thank you for your correction.  Maybe I'm just not as knowledgeable as you.  But sometimes one verse does say it all.  Peter did admit that God had called him but He was not faithful to the call.  How can that be disputed?  It can't be. 

I come here with the entire Bible, so I'll just have to stand on that, from Genesis to Revelation.  Why do I need to stand on a study from this web site?  What makes that perfectly correct?  That is putting the wrong foot forum.  That is called spiritual pride and God-In-A-Box theology.

Peter was not an enemy of Christ.  Peter was flawed, and there are plenty of examples of flawed men and women in the Bible; but that did not make them enemies of God. 

The Book of Acts, taken in its entirety, is clearly a transitional book.  There are many shades of gray in Acts as the Church under grace moves toward that program.  Most Christians are still trying to get it right today, two thousand years later, which is obvious with thousands of denominations in Christendom. 

Sorry, Kab.  This one answer to me is enough for me.  I thought this was a place of discussion, not a dogmatic "you are wrong" and it is "our way or the highway."  You might tell Christine that I have a few years of Bible study under my belt.  Thanks for the invite.

[Christine]

Dear Nonreligious,

I'm very sorry that you were offended, however, one verse OUT of context does NOT a doctrine make. We get our doctrine from the epistles of Paul. Peter was simply NOT commissioned to preach the "gospel of the GRACE of God", as this was a term distinct to Paul alone. Did Peter know about  grace? Yes, but only as it applied to Israels program.

I appreciate anyone who studies. I studied (or thot I did) for over 25 years and then saw how GOD exhorts us to read and understand His Word, and I had to admit that I was .....gulp....WRONG.

Peter isn't a bad guy...no one is saying he is. He preached a wonderful gospel to the Nation of Israel, however, Paul was given a BETTER ONE. One is law, and one is GRACE. One is prophetic, and one has to do "with the preaching of Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO THE REVELATION Of the MYSTERY which was KEPT SECRET"  (until due time.)  I had to ADMIT that I had never HEARD such a thing, but it IS there in the scriptures and it DOES show some kind of a change taking place. I had to put all my preconceived "religious" ideology aside and begin to study my Bible the way God told me to in 2 Tim 2:15.

Peters gospel was a good gospel. It simply isn't OUR gospel. We are not admonished by God to follow Judaism today.

The 12 preached to none but the JEW ONLY....with the ONE exception of Peter being dragged kicking and screaming to go to Cornelius. He never again went to ANY gentile, and neither did the other eleven. That was NOT their commission.

Note that when Peter went to Cornelius it was for the purpose of God showing that there indeed WAS a change taking place. Cornelius was given the Holy Spirit BEFORE he was water baptized....this was a clear difference, and was paving the way for Pauls gospel of GRACE apart from coming thru the Nation of Israel. She was ON HER WAY OUT as Gods channel of blessing.

Please take another look and we are always willing to dialogue, but with the idea in mind that scripture tells us where our mail is found and who is our apostle. Its NOT Peter.

Just think on it for abit, and jump right back in.  "Love is NOT easily offended."

All of us had to have a metanoia moment or two in order to line ourselves up with GODS way of thinking....its a GOOD THING< not a bad thing.

Huuuugs