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BOC560
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« on: December 03, 2007, 08:14:37 AM »

“ …Baptist theologians debated on the five points, including unconditional election – that God chooses every person who will be saved, not based on an individual's merit or on his looking forward to discover who would accept the offer of the gospel but solely upon the counsel of His own will – and limited atonement – that Christ died for the elect and not all.

This is an excerpt from a recent news article.  It is obvious that these theologians cannot determine the most basic principle of Christianity; SALVATION.  The issue of denominations and ‘churches’ in general is that they represent COUNTERFEITS of the ONE Lord, ONE faith and ONE baptism. 

These counterfeits are being marketed by profiteering evangelists at the expense of the people who have placed their trust in them.  Narrow is the way and FEW are those who will find it.  Following is the actual article:

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071203/30311_Southern_Baptists_Debate_Calvinism%2C_Urge_Cooperation.htm
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Christine
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 08:42:56 AM »

“ …Baptist theologians debated on the five points, including unconditional election – that God chooses every person who will be saved, not based on an individual's merit or on his looking forward to discover who would accept the offer of the gospel but solely upon the counsel of His own will – and limited atonement – that Christ died for the elect and not all.

This is an excerpt from a recent news article.  It is obvious that these theologians cannot determine the most basic principle of Christianity; SALVATION.  The issue of denominations and ‘churches’ in general is that they represent COUNTERFEITS of the ONE Lord, ONE faith and ONE baptism. 

These counterfeits are being marketed by profiteering evangelists at the expense of the people who have placed their trust in them.  Narrow is the way and FEW are those who will find it.  Following is the actual article:

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071203/30311_Southern_Baptists_Debate_Calvinism%2C_Urge_Cooperation.htm


This article is a real eye opener for those of you who , as I did (being a member of a Baptist Church for over 25 yrs), think that the Baptist Denomination is "safe." Listen to what the head of the Southern Baptist Association says in his own words, and think about just what "Commission" he is speaking of.

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"I believe our Baptist fellowship is big enough in all the right ways," Daniel Akin, president of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, told the attendants. "We may not agree on everything, but we agree on more than enough to work together for our Lord Jesus in fulfilling the Great Commission."

Do you see the same problem I see with this fellows statement? Due to a lack of "rightly dividing" the scriptures, this entire denomination is following a "Commission" that God set aside over two thousand years ago! We aren't following Jesus in His earthly ministry today, as He came to none but the Jew ONLY with the "Great Commission" being spoken of here.

OUR Commission is found in Paul's epistles alone and has to do with being "ambassadors for Christ" and telling the world that God "no longer holds their sins against them" due to the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and our IDENTIFICATION with Him thru faith in His finished work on the Cross.

Do you see, as I do, how "the Cross is made of NONE effect" when we mix the gospels and don't know where the "gospel of OUR salvation" is even found?Huh Its NOT IN Jn. 3:16 or in any of the prophetic books, but in 1 Cor. 15: 1-4. Peter and the 12 preached the Cross as a murder endictment to the Jews and NOT good news! Paul is the FIRST to explain the purpose of the Cross and to introduce the NEW MAN, or NEW CREATION which is none other than the creation of the BODY OF CHRIST, which didn't exist BEFORE!

Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, I am not saying that no baptists' are saved. Many of them know and believe in the gospel that saves today, however confused they may be about where that gospel is found. But this certainly explains the boatload of differences they are challenged with on a daily basis as "the preaching of Jesus Christ ACCORDING to the REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY..." is not even considered!

This article is excellent in showing how NOT in UNITY the "churches" of today are! God wants a "unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace"....and we aren't seeing that today due to a failure to see the difference between the Kingdom Gospel of Mt., Mk., Lk., and Jn. and early Acts and that of the gospel of the GRACE of God as delivered to OUR Apostle, Paul, for we who are the church which is His body.

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MaricoG
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 06:31:20 PM »

I have heard so many reasons why there are so many denominations...so many differing beliefs...but now I finally understand the truth of it...it is because there is no right division.
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TwoBlessed
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2008, 12:48:41 PM »

 Shocked  I was a Southern Baptist until a few years ago.  I thought I carefully studied their doctrine, etc.  However, once I understand "rightly dividing" scripture, I saw the errors in the Southern Baptist and other denominations.  The Baptist Messenger became full of error for me.  My husband and I noticed a leaning toward the acceptance of Calvinism, but the last straw for us was when one week's issue was devoted to Rick Warren and his wife.  "The Great Commission" is a large part of their evangelism, too.
I am so thankful to have been exposed to this teaching, but it sure makes me sad to think just how many have never ever been exposed to the truth of rightly dividing.

Christ died for ALL.  It is up to each one of us to accept his free gift of salvation . . . or not. 
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TwoBlessed
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2008, 04:55:32 PM »

wrong button! Grin
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Oasis
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2008, 05:04:08 PM »

Hi TwoBlessed!  Welcome!

Yep!  Many here are in the same boat as far as not being born and raised in rightly dividing Scripture. 
But, not only do we rightly divide, we are multiplying in members and adding to our knowledge of the Grace message, daily.

I'm glad you're here! Smiley

yhiC,
Kab
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Christine
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2008, 05:05:53 PM »

Shocked  I was a Southern Baptist until a few years ago.  I thought I carefully studied their doctrine, etc.  However, once I understand "rightly dividing" scripture, I saw the errors in the Southern Baptist and other denominations.  The Baptist Messenger became full of error for me.  My husband and I noticed a leaning toward the acceptance of Calvinism, but the last straw for us was when one week's issue was devoted to Rick Warren and his wife.  "The Great Commission" is a large part of their evangelism, too.
I am so thankful to have been exposed to this teaching, but it sure makes me sad to think just how many have never ever been exposed to the truth of rightly dividing.

Christ died for ALL.  It is up to each one of us to accept his free gift of salvation . . . or not. 

It would astound and shock you to find out that there are many PASTORS in the many Denominations who have seen right division and believe it...but refuse to teach it as they would lose their "jobs and income" if they tried teaching it to the masses. Its TRUE. Now THAT makes me very sad!
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