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According to Scripture, WHY was Christ baptized?
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Christine
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According to Scripture, WHY was Christ baptized?
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1. To fulfill all righteousness (Matt. 3:15) Christ was the HIGH PRIEST under the NEW Covenant (Heb. 4:14)
To fulfill all righteousness meant that Christ had to be WASHED according to the Law of High Priests (Exodus 29:4)
2. Christ was baptized to make Him manifest to ISRAEL (John 3:15)
So, as you can SEE, we who are members of the Body of Christ are
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told to follow Christ in "believers baptism", because
HIS
baptism had to do with
ISRAEL
, and NOT with us at all!
The term "beleivers baptism" is not found anywhere in the Bible...but is made up by "churchianity" and the traditions of MEN.
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Christine
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February 22, 2008, 09:03:53 PM »
Uh oh...this shoots down all those who think they are called to follow Christ in "believers baptism."
Discussion? How much of what we believe is actually not even FOUND in the Bible?
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Christine
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Re: According to Scripture, WHY was Christ baptized?
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April 08, 2008, 10:21:34 PM »
Are we aware that much of what passes for faith, and Christianity today is nothing more than "mere superstition?" Why do we think that we are warned against falling into the trap of the "traditions of men?" What "traditions of men" do we still see active today in many churches that have no scriptural basis, or that were instructions given to another audience at another time?
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Christine
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January 25, 2009, 03:49:03 PM »
Good information for good discussion...anyone?
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NewDawn
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July 23, 2009, 10:03:35 AM »
this is a good topic because the question will always come back as to why was Christ baptized. If He was baptized then surely we need to be.
Paul said in 1 Cor 1:17, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
If someone who studies the word would see that Paul wasn't called to baptize because that was not required in this age of grace, it should be clear that our Lord needed to fufill what was prophesied by the prophets and also to make Himself known to Israel, as you mentioned in scripture.
I know I'm repeating what you said, but that is what helps me to grasp Gods truth.
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Christine
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July 23, 2009, 10:11:52 AM »
Repeating something is always a good thing...its how we retain things in our little pea brains....LOL
It is also called being TRANSFORMED by the renewing of our minds. Isn't that KEWL?
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NewDawn
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July 23, 2009, 11:10:01 AM »
It's totally awesome!!!
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Roofdad
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July 24, 2009, 06:44:21 PM »
Hi, Christine, and HI! Diana! I am soooo glad to see you posting again!
This is the one topic that brings the most different answers than any other. Some say that we must be baptized with water, in order to have salvation. Others say that is is not necessary for salvation, but that it demonstrates that you have made "an inward committment to follow Christ". Still others say that it is a part of the works that justifies our faith. And then there are those that just say that it is symbolic of the old man dying, and the new man arising. Hmmmm.....
Even when you provide the scriptures for people that show that there is only ONE baptism (Eph. 4:5), and that this ONE baptism is when the Holy Spirit baptizes you into the Body of Christ (1 Corin. 12:13), people will
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argue with you! They will provide you with ALL of the above arguments as proof of what they are saying, even though scripture says differently!
I just quote Pastor Bob Enyart for most of them, and ask them, If water baptism is symbolic for the death of the old man, and scripture teaches us that we become a new man the moment we are baptized into the Body of Christ, because we believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross, WHAT are we doing to our new man, when we accept water baptism?
It is so strange to see the things that folks believe"after the traditions of men". I can only speak the truth in boldness, as did our beloved apostle Paul, according to the revelation of the mystery.
Darryl
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NewDawn
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Hi Darryl, thanks so much!!
I found this article on the Berean Bible Society and found it very fasinating.
At What Age Was Jesus Baptized?
By David Tidd, Bible Teacher
While serving as a young deacon in a Baptist church, I appreciated the opportunities I had to visit with the associate Pastor. Pastor Jim was a good listener, and he often would open up to me as well. His oldest son, Joel, was a young boy when he came forward during an evangelistic (revival) meeting to profess the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior. Usually what would follow in the Baptist church would be what's known as believer's baptism, a ceremony in which the Pastor immerses the believer into water and then takes him out.
Sometime later, Jim shared with me that some in authority at the church were not satisfied with his example, since Joel had not yet been immersed. He told me that he wanted his son to fully understand what Baptism was about first. Sadly enough, the Senior Pastor later placed Jim in the position where he felt he had to resign and move his family on. I'm sure that Jim and I wouldn't see eye to eye today on this subject; however, I have great respect for him and his concern that his son understand Baptism. I also hope that my family puts the doctrines of the Bible above the doctrines of man, and in their proper place. And this concern is for each of you who reads this as well.
In Luke Chapter 3 we see John preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (v. 3). We see that while John was doing the baptizing with the mode of water, he prophesied that the Lord Jesus Christ would be a future baptizer with two modes, the Holy Spirit and fire. In Luke 3:21-22 we read that Jesus was baptized with water. Surely it wasn't for the forgiveness of sins, as John was preaching, for we read in the first portion of II Corinthians 5:21, "Him who knew no sin." Jesus was God in the flesh who never sinned. He needed neither to repent (turn) from sin, nor to be forgiven of any sin.
Some have said that Matthew 3:15 implies that through water baptism Jesus was being identified with mankind. But wasn't that accomplished in Bethlehem? We read in Luke 2:41-52 that Jesus at age 12, under the Law of the Passover Feast, was at Jerusalem in His Father's House, listening and talking to the teachers. Wouldn't Jesus have had enough understanding at 12 years old to have been baptized, if baptism was for a public testimony of His faith? But Jesus Himself gave the reason He was being baptized in Matthew 3:15, when He told John the Baptist to "...Permit it to be so now for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." So, in accordance with the Law dispensed to Moses, Jesus was thirty years old at the time He was baptized, as we read in Luke 3:23 "...And when He began His ministry Jesus Himself was about 30 years of age." (Perhaps those who insist we should "follow Jesus in Baptism" should also require the person to be 30 years old today).
The Scriptures teach that Jesus was a Prophet, a great Teacher, the King of Israel, the Messiah, and at His baptism we see Him coming as High Priest to the kingdom of priests—the nation of Israel: "And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel" (Ex. 19:6). "But you shall be named the priests of the LORD, They shall call you the servants of our God. You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory you shall boast" (Isa. 61:6). In the New Testament we read in the writings of Peter, who in his own words was "an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the Pilgrims of the Dispersion..." (I Pet. 1:1): "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people...having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles..." (I Pet. 2:9,12).
When priests were ordained, the Law prescribed certain rituals to be followed, including washing them with water (Ex. 29:4). That ceremonial washing was performed at Jesus' baptism.
The following Scripture verses from Numbers Chapter 4 require all those who perform the service or the work in the tabernacle to be 30 years old: Vs. 3,23,30,35,39,43, and 47. Chapters 3 through 10 of the epistle to the Hebrews and Psalm 110:4 tell how God the Father designated His own Son the Perfect High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
While 30 years old is the answer to the question in the title of this paper about Jesus' first Baptism, He also had a second Baptism He spoke of in Mark 10:38-39: "But Jesus said to them, `You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?' They said to Him, `We are able.' So Jesus said to them, `You will indeed drink the cup that I drink, and with the baptism I am baptized with you will be baptized....'"
The Lord Jesus Christ was approximately 33 years of age when according to the latter portion of II Corinthians 5:21, "...He who knew no sin, became sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (Heb. 9:10-15,26; 10:10-13). By His own death upon the Cross for all mankind's sins, Christ was identified with death and died in our place, was buried in our place, and arose from the dead (Heb. 9:11-12) to offer His own blood in God's tabernacle in heaven as a propitiation or satisfaction to God, and sat down at the right hand of God (10:12). You or I could never follow our Lord in this Baptism. It would greatly help the reader to read the above verses.
The traditions of man have us following old covenant commands to the nation of Israel while ignoring commands from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ to the apostle to the Gentiles. The Apostle Paul said in I Corinthians 1:17, "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ should be made of no effect." Under the old covenant, the laws of Baptisms were established in Exodus 29:4 when Aaron was washed or baptized with water (Lev. 8:6; 16:4,30; 22:6,7).
After His resurrection, Jesus instructed the 11 disciples that "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues..." (Mark 16:16,17). Peter told the men of Israel in Acts 2:38, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Later Peter says that if the nation will repent and be converted, then Jesus will come back as the long-promised Messiah for Israel (Acts 3:19-21). But they didn't, so the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ called another apostle.
To Paul He dispensed The Mystery with the Gospel of Grace, rather than Law as He did to Moses. God sent him to the Gentiles (Eph. 3:1-9) and did not send him to baptize (I Cor. 1:17). Instead, according to Ephesians 4:5, there is one baptism for today (I Cor. 12:13: "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one Body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit."). The Holy Spirit performs this Baptism, not an apostle or Pastor. And notice that it is not a baptism with water, but a baptism into The Church The Body of Christ.
When believers see this Baptism for today, they often are cut off from membership rolls in some congregations. But they are not without a church, as the Holy Spirit seals the believer in His Church with a promise (Eph. 1:13). This Identification or Baptism without water makes him one with Christ in His Death, Burial and Resurrection (Rom. 6:3-5). And "in Christ" we are immersed forever, never to be taken back out, as one would be from the watery grave of a baptistry.
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